[nem-en] Re: Scala: what you say about it?

[vc]

> Yeah, when I created new Windows Forms project in VS integration and
> opened Designer... VS just vanished ;)

WinForms support really not implemented yet.

> Well, as you probably noticed our support for implementing features
> and fixing bugs is not very fast. We are surely not abandoning the
> project any time soon (maybe if there is an equivalent language with
> type inference, pattern matching and macros, but with support from big
> company/community, I don't know C# 5.0 ?).
> I think that with current feature set of Nemerle we are already in a
> reasonably stable position - language has most of the useful built in
> stuff already there and with macros the limits for extensibility are
> quite far from us. :-)
> I would estimate Nemerle as being ahead from current mainstream
> languages for about 5-6 years, at least in the coolest features.
> 
> I think that now there comes the time for stabilizing the language
> itself and focus on:
> - fixing bugs
> - improvements in compiler / macros API
> - improvements in performance
> - and of course your great Integration project
> 
> Getting forward in this field + maybe also some improvements in
> documentation / tutorials is in my opinion a good road-map for
> Nemerle.
> The problem is that I and Michal do not have much time for doing this,
> considering that (especially for Michal ;)) it is not very
> "interesting" stuff to do... Seeing all your recent commitments to the
> project is very building for me and I think this is the way to go - we
> must widen the community of people ready to get involved in the core
> of the project and to give a good critic opinions about our current
> (often flawed) design.
> And I think that getting more people to work with Nemerle requires all
> those refactorings to happen - writing macros must not be hard for
> reasonably good programmer.
> 
> So, the conclusion is:
> - Nemerle is a very good and useful language at the moment and I don't
> mind using it as replacement for C#/Java for a long time
> - Nemerle has great potential, which I think is getting larger not
> smaller all the time
> - as Michal mentioned, Nemerle did not "catch up" very well yet,
> probably because of the current trends in computer science, maybe
> because of some of our controversial design decisions (keeping close
> to ML languages and insisting on static typing), but as those
> decisions drived us to create this language and are *good* in our
> opinion it is not something to be ashame of
> - the future of Nemerle is defined by the community, we will have the
> language / platform, which we will develop all together
> 
> --
> Kamil Skalski
> http://nazgul.omega.pl
> 
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